Edit/Retraction 6/6/2013 @ 8:01pm EST: It was noted in the comments by a reader that the original observation that the barriers and debris /were/ blown backward was not made correctly. We've corrected the piece, and marked with red, the adjustments that were made. 

Edit/Retraction 6/6/2013 @ 7:49pm EST: Another note in the comments by a reader pointed out that a photo supporting the observations of the direction of explosion were not included in the post. The image has since been included.

Editors Note: This was inspired by a lengthy, but very detailed, anonymous information submission.

One of the most prominent things raising questions in the case of the Boston Marathon bombings is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s backpack. This backpack, which can be clearly seen in the videos and photographs released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and has been discussed in a previous WEARETHELION article here, has stirred up a good amount of controversy in regards to whether it looks like it could contain a pressure cooker, if Dzhokhar could carry that weight on one shoulder, and if the colors matched those of the remains found at the scene. One question that is often overlooked, however, is whether the physics of this backpack really add up.

The criminal complaint against Dzhokhar states that “he can be seen stopping directly in front of the Forum Restaurant and standing near the metal barrier among numerous spectators  . . . He can then be seen allegedly slipping his knapsack onto the ground. A photograph taken from the opposite side of the street shows the knapsack on the ground at Bomber Two’s feet.” If the knapsack was indeed placed at Dzhokhar’s feet, then it can safely be said that the backpack was placed behind the metal barrier.
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If this photo, which has been circulating both television news stations and the internet, is indeed the one referred to in the criminal report (this fact has been commonly disputed as the color of the backpack does not match that of Dzhokhar’s in the original video released to the public) it is clear that the backpack was indeed placed behind the barrier. 

The Forum Restaurant, the site of the explosion, stated on their website and Facebook page that the restaurant was “ground zero as the second bomb exploded right on [their] patio.” The post has thus been taken down from their website and their Facebook page is currently unavailable.

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As seen in these photographs of the blast site, the metal barriers and debris appear to be blown backward toward the restaurant. Any bomb, regardless of whether it is a pressure cooker bomb or not, has a blast radius. A blast radius is defined as “the distance from a source that will be affected when an explosion occurs.” The blast would cause a circular area of destruction, the effect comparable to when a rock is tossed into a pond, causing ripples to occur and move away from where the rock met the water. Pressure cooker bombs, which can have variable blast radii depending on how they are made, have an average blast radius of about 27 yards.

The sidewalk in front of the Forum Restaurant is clearly not 27 yards in width, and therefore the metal barriers would have been within the blast radius if the bomb truly was behind the barrier. The blast theoretically would have caused the barriers to be pushed outward toward the runners, but as seen in the photos above, the metal barriers appear to be blown toward the restaurant, implying that the bomb was placed in front of them.

What could have caused the barriers to be blown backward or inward? Do you think this will stand up in court as evidence in favor of or against Dzhokhar? Could the pressure cooker simply have fallen on its side?

Editors Note: There was another photo presented in the comments below that demonstrates a better angle in which the barriers are notably blown outwards. The photo is referenced directly below: 
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Photograph courtesy of: http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/ (Source may be different)
Me
6/6/2013 01:49:29 am

This is very interesting and it's something that I've come across awhile ago. Even if the pressure cooker fell over, it still doesn't explain why the barriers were pushed toward the restaurant. If the pressure cooker was placed so the top exploded toward the restaurant (toward the people) or if the pressure cooker was placed with it's top upward (close enough to the barriers), it probably would've caused the barriers to move out toward the street. The only thing to explain the way the barriers moved is that the bomb was placed on the outside. I just can't imagine a bomb blast causing a metal barrier to fly TOWARDS it. It doesn't make sense. But the formal complaint doesn't state he placed it on the other side of the barrier so I'm a bit confused about that.

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AnonymousPoster
6/6/2013 06:49:15 am

I agree. In fact the complint statements about the marathon are flimsy at best with statements like:

"I can discern nothing in that location in the period before the explosion that might have caused that explosion, other than Bomber Two's knapsack."

There were other bags and people in that area..how is that evidence and does the backpack's exact location match up with the subsequent direction of the explosion? My feeling is the complaint is basing this assumption on subsequent events of the carjacking and shootout, but jacking a car doesnt make you a bomber...especially when you are young, probably scared and have your face plastered on television.

The one video by an eye-witness shows Dzhokhar lighting a firework & fireworks were found discarded in a nearby charity bin by police...but given that the APA realesed a statement that such fireworks burn & do not detonate because of legal regualtions for sale by the CPSC and the DOT...even the subsequent events dont link to a bombing. I do not dispute Dzhokhar committed crimes while running...but I have yet to see any SOLID evidence connecting him to the Boston Marathon crime itself that couldnt be as easily argued to the contrary. In many cases the contrary being more believable.

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Marie
6/6/2013 02:16:33 am

Thank you! I have been waiting for this discussion to take place since this happened. So glad to finally see this blog.

I have no background in physics so I can't confidently tell you why or how this happened, but I really don't see how it is possible for the explosion to blow the barricades backwards /towards/ the bomb. Another thing, and this could just be a bit nitpicky on my part, but why are the tables and chairs still standing? Shouldn't they have been blown away as well or at the very least knocked over? I doubt people went through and picked them all up and images just after the explosion show them still standing, so what does that mean?

In my inexpert and very humble opinion, I don't think the bomb was behind the barricade. Which contradicts the pictures and the Official Complaint against Dzhokhar. I just don't see how it is possible for the bomb to pull the barricade towards it when it's supposed to have been right behind it. I'm anxious to hear what others think on this.

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anonymiss
6/6/2013 02:14:56 pm

This! I have seen close pictures of the tables at the restaurant, and there are still filled cups sitting on the tables!

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nader paul kucinich gravel mckinney baldwin ventura sheehan perot carter
6/6/2013 03:41:51 am

Physics and Photographs: #911truth too

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John Baxter
6/6/2013 06:38:49 am

So the official complaint states that they are using the video footage from the Forrum restaurant which shows him directly in front among the spectators slipping off knapsack with photo from across road showing it on ground at his feet.

I've seen a photo http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/boston-marathon-bomb-explosion-photo-essay/
2nd photo down, whereby the metal barriers are mostly still standing except one that is wrapped around the bin which makes me believe the bomb was inside the metal barriers otherwise it wouldn't wrap around the bin that way.

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Marie
6/6/2013 07:28:36 am

I hadn't seen those photos, so thank you for sharing those! That gives an interesting view...though even in the moments after, you can still see the chairs and tables intact and upright. Not sure I get that, but I agree the barrier is wrapped around the bin in a way that would support it being behind the barrier (I would think).

Is it just me, or was it said somewhere that the video that they were using as their "main source" didn't actually exist? I never know if that's just a lot of people "talking" or if it was actually stated somewhere. I haven't been able to find anything on it, so I could be wrong. I know that at one point, the Governor hadn't actually seen the footage and had only been briefed on it, but I'm sure that's changed. Just wondering out loud here.

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cheryl
6/6/2013 07:22:36 am

Bottom line is that is not the backpack that he had on his back. Obviously someone else placed that backpack there. All his lawyers have to do is take this image and a image of the one he was wearing and you can clearly see they were two different bags. This bag is alot darker than the one he had on. A side by side photo of both bags should be posted.

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Marie
6/6/2013 07:29:49 am

I do agree, I have a hard time believing the dark bag is Dzhokhar's as well simply because it does not match the footage released of him with his bag on his back (unless I'm missing something major here color-wise).

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John Baxter
6/6/2013 08:12:54 am

This I agree with ye about the one in the picture above looks like a different colour. . .because its near the ground and therefore darker I can't say, but they they are using the camera from behind which would give different view.

The complaint states that they have different vantage points although they gained a lot from the forum restaurant video including when the brothers were standing together half a block away. I would also think that forum isn't the only premises with a camera.
I guess we don't know that that is the picture they are saying is the knapsack. It's also hard to work out the time of the picture that the bag is in front of the barrier possibly earlier in day.
It is really sad to see the faces of the people in the picture with the knapsack and know the fate they had.

LK
6/6/2013 08:09:30 am

I noticed that it looks like there is someone standing directly between Jahar and the girls at the fence? You can see her hair? I might be completely wrong but it looks more like her bag. I don't understand how Jahar can be dropping the bag in that spot with someone standing in front of him? Again, I could be wrong.

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Joker
6/6/2013 08:30:02 am

As seen in these photographs of the blast site, the metal barriers and debris were blown backward toward the restaurant

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This site is such a disappointment. A thinly disguised, polished-up version of "freejahar"

The metal barrier being literally bent around the mailbox should seal the deal on this one. Lets see.

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Marie
6/6/2013 08:44:25 am

I hadn't seen the image of the barrier bent around the mailbox before, so now I will concede to the bomb being placed /behind/ rather than in front of the barrier. I can't argue with the way it's bent. I do still have the question of the color of the backpack (his being so light, this one so much darker), but I'm no expert so my opinion is all I can offer. Shadows may come in to play, but I'm not sure on that one.

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John Baxter
6/6/2013 09:02:38 am

This really may not be the knapsack considering its from across the road that they have the visual. This is complete out of nowhere on my part but there is a gap at ground level where the woman in shorts is and the (I think) deceased child (rip) that you could have a pretty good view of Dzhokhar and the tree.

jokerz
6/6/2013 11:41:48 am

joker, this is an excellent website and I must defend it completely. Not too many can do a better job than this.

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6/6/2013 12:00:16 pm

Joker,

You are welcome to present alternative ideas for discussion, that's why we attempt to publish nothing as fact - simply observation. Everything we publish is to inspire productive and neutral discussion. In fact, we're adding a footnote/retraction to the post now as a result of your comment.

Again, feel free to contribute anything in the comment discussion with regard to the piece presented. That's what the editorial is here for. We appreciate your feedback and commentary, but please remain constructive in your criticism and instead, make alternative observations to ours. This can be done without negativity.

Thanks again.

-WEARETHELION

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Marie
6/6/2013 12:03:40 pm

Other than that portion of the barrier, though, I still don't understand why other portions of the barrier went backwards? So I don't think your (WeAreTheLion) original statement was 100% false...

LK
6/6/2013 12:26:28 pm

@ Marie: Some of the barriers were moved by people trying to get through to help those injured by the blast. There were also people standing/leaning on the fence so it might have been pulled backwards by their body weight when they fell but I'm not too sure. I also know that at least one of the injured (Jane Richard) was forced into the street.

Joker
6/6/2013 12:39:05 pm

As seen in these photographs of the blast site, the metal barriers and debris appear to be blown backward toward the restaurant

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In which photos do the barriers appear to be blown backwards? Please indulge me because in the 3 photos you provide I don't see any barriers that appear to be blown towards the restaurant.

6/6/2013 12:48:51 pm

Joker,

Great observation, thank you for pointing that out. We made the mistake of failing to include the third image the editorial contribution linked in the original document. It has since been added.

We apologize for the confusion and appreciate your feedback.

-WEARETHELION

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John Baxter
6/6/2013 01:00:43 pm

I linked a photo about fifth post from the top which clearly shows the barriers were not blown inwards but still standing except the one wrapped arround bin. Surely this should be included as I don't think the barrier wrapped around the bin at a later stage whereas people could have knocked the barriers.

John baxter
6/6/2013 01:08:38 pm

Also in the photo you have included there are a lot less people around as opposed to the photo I linked which leads me to believe that the photo you linked is after the photo I linked.

Joker
6/6/2013 01:10:29 pm

Well thanks for posting that but I see a guy who appears to be trying to remove or get to the other side of the barricade. The barricade itself can not be pulled forward because of the traffic sign present on the street side of it.

So we have 1 barricade which "appears" to have been blown back indicating an explosion from the curb but it could be just a guy trying to move it and another barricade which has been LITERALLY BENT AROUND the mailbox indicating an explosion on the sidewalk.

What to say...thanks for providing this discussion on physics.

6/6/2013 01:14:47 pm

John,

We've included the photo you linked at the end of the post, thank you for providing it. Great to see the discussion bringing together all parts of the story.

-WEARETHELION

LK
6/6/2013 01:16:00 pm

@ Joker: I agree. In the last picture, that portion of the fence is still standing. In the third picture, it looks like someone has moved it.

carrie
6/6/2013 12:14:48 pm

Great piece! The backpack story is going to be a tough sell to a jury. Obviously a 50 lb. pressure cooker bomb was not in the backpack. Everyone knows how backpacks work and this is just common sense. Also, the NYDN photographed the same backpack in the hall outside of Dzhokhar's apartment. Again, common sense. Also, while we're talking about surveillance videos, where is the video from CASS FLOWERS?

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LK
6/6/2013 12:42:28 pm

How do you know that it was the same backpack? We can't even be sure it was actually a backpack from that picture. He also could have had more than one.

I haven't heard of the CASS FLOWERS surveillance?

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LK
6/6/2013 01:00:50 pm

Also, in my opinion, the "backpack" in the apartment looks nothing like the backpack that Jahar is wearing at the marathon. The bag in the apartment has zippers and too much black on it. This is what the front of Jahar's backpack looks like: http://photos.masslive.com/republican/2013/04/boston_marathon_photographer_1.html. It doesn't match the picture in the apartment.

cheryl
6/6/2013 12:31:25 pm

@Carrie, my thought were along the same line as yours. I think someone that has a mid sized pressure cooker should see how it fits in a backpack. Im thinking it will be a difficult process squeezing it in there! :) and they apparently got the Henss and Kelly (sp?) Video of jahars activities.

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Joker
6/6/2013 12:55:38 pm

This is a 6 quart pot which is slightly smaller than a 6 liter pot

http://tinypic.com/r/qyzmzk/5

This the same pot in a medium sized backpack

http://tinypic.com/r/8zk6ex/5

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saum
6/7/2013 01:33:49 pm

What you have pictured is the inner pot used in an electric pressure cooker, inner pot sits in the housing unit, which is a little bigger. With that said, I thought the ones that the brothers used where just stove top type?

Joker
6/6/2013 01:16:50 pm

To John Baxter.

Thank you for linking those photos. I had never seen them before. I wish there was an easier way to link photos in here.

I also applaud your patience.

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6/6/2013 01:22:33 pm

^Agreed. Great photo essay, thanks for linking.

In addition, we hope to "upgrade" to a better blog/commenting system in the future. Thanks to all of you for your patience and for helping to uncover more details. Great work.

-WEARETHELION

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Jaci
6/6/2013 01:31:34 pm

This is a great article on backpack : whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/20/off..

After reading it, I tried putting my crockpot in my son's book bag and it was really bulky. I had my son ( who appears to be the same size as Jahar) put it on one shoulder and it was awkward to carry. Also his backpack is normally 18 pounds, and he put that on one shoulder, and he said it was not comfortable to carry that way.
I hope you don't think I'm crazy doing all of this, but I agree with the others that the backpack doesn't match! It's a sticking point for me!

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Jaci
6/6/2013 01:45:41 pm

Oops I meant my pressure cooker

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S.
6/6/2013 05:53:03 pm

Yes that's one thing that stuck out to me. Jahar's backpack did not look bulky or heavy in the slightest.

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6/6/2013 01:49:24 pm

Cass Flowers refers to the shootout crime scene on Mt. Auburn Street
http://imgur.com/gallery/ZUZfA You can see that lights turned on inside the business. Zoom in on the photos, the naked man in the bomb squad truck. The Cass Flowers surveillance video would tell the real story. The police scanner has a call to an ambulance at location, 15 shots fired at this location, it was a very busy corner.

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Heather Sherrer
6/6/2013 03:14:50 pm

https://fbcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/969833_10151613834628076_572638412_n.jpg?dl=1

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Claire
6/6/2013 03:24:04 pm

http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/volusia-county/Retired-Volusia-County-deputy-says-bag-near-Boston-Marathon-bomb-site-was-his/-/12983450/19805636/-/tertliz/-/index.html

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Joker
6/6/2013 03:53:40 pm

Great article. Thanks for sharing.

Funny thing is that someone on reddit said it was a Pizzaria UNO bag like 2 days after the marathon. And there is an UNO a few shops down from the Forum. Guess he was right.

S.
6/6/2013 05:48:41 pm

It's a little funny though that he'd place it outside the metal barrier - makes it harder to retrieve.

Claire
6/6/2013 03:43:16 pm

The bag with the purse was gone around the time of the explosion: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/bomber_boy_bag.jpg

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Joker
6/6/2013 03:49:54 pm

If you look at the photos John Baxter linked you will see that the dark spot they are examining is dried blood.

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Claire
6/6/2013 06:08:16 pm

@S: So what's your explanation? I don't think the guy has an incentive to lie. Maybe he just wanted to get it out of the way. Also, what do you make of the fact that the bag was no longer on the curb before the blast?

LK
6/6/2013 06:26:05 pm

So people don't think Jahar is guilty because the backpack he was carrying doesn't match the one that exploded? But an old pizza bag/purse that wasn't even on the curb prior to the bombing apparently does?

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Jaci
6/7/2013 01:59:09 am

I have no idea what caused the explosion. On www.freeJahar.net, they are proposing that a bag left in a restaurant could be the cause.

If the backpack they are showing is the one that exploded, then yes, I don't think it was Jahar's. I'm concerned that when Tamerlan's identity was known, that a rush to judgement could of been made. If they also basing his guilt on him leaving without the backpack based on Daniel Green's picture, how can they be sure when his right shoulder is not visible, which is the shoulder he is carrying it on?

There are just so many crazy twist and turns with this case, that leaves so many questions. His bedside confession, is one that I am having great difficulty buying! I'm a RN, and when a patient is heavily medicated, it is very hard to get the patient to answer basic assessment questions, and those are patients that can talk!

Also, the Ibragim Todashev story and the Saudi kid being deported leave questions in my mind as to whether Jahar is guilty.

They may have different evidence at the trial that will answer all of our questions.

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anonymiss
6/7/2013 03:51:38 am

Jaci, not only is what you said about the picture of Jahar running away (that his backpack could be on the right shoulder) true, but if you check David Green's original photo of Jahar, you will see a white, what seems to be, backpack on his back. This has been obviously edited out on the picture released by the mainstream media. Check it out!

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Joker
6/7/2013 04:31:07 am

true, but if you check David Green's original photo of Jahar, you will see a white, what seems to be, backpack on his back

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What you are referring to is not the original but rather a photo of him holding his iPhone which is displaying the original.

The white you see and believe is his pack is in fact photoshopped INTO that photo. It's so easy because the image is so small that he only had to change the color of a few pixels. It's a poor job too as he has the "bag" appear to be coming out from his left elbow as if he's carrying it like its a small purse.

Joker
6/7/2013 04:22:48 am

Tamerlan's identity wasn't known until he was fingerprinted in the morgue.

If the bomb was in the Forum then what accounts for all the casualties on the barricade? Bomb was on the sidewalk and this isn't even debatable.

The David Green photo does not prove anything on its own. It doesn't appear that he has his pack but even its absence doesnt indicate guilt.

Hopefully more will be revealed on July 10th

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S.
6/7/2013 05:27:43 am

@Claire - i'm not saying that guy he had an incentive. i guess what i'm trying to say is that there were some odd things happening that day. maybe one of them is worth investigating. i also wonder what happened to the guy that 'Anonymous' pointed out.

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John Baxter
6/7/2013 08:21:06 am

The knapsack was most likely near to where Dzhokhar is seen standing, his side of the tree. I believe this because of the way the barrier wrapped around he bin and bearing in mind the people that got injured the most. It couldn't have been inside forum or its barriers because the chairs are still standing. I'm not saying its his bag.

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Joker
6/7/2013 09:03:27 am

It was him. His bag, his bomb.

Either that or the US govt is bombing it's own citizens in its own city and deciding to frame a doofy 19 year-old college kid.

What's crazy is that there are people (kids I hope) that would rather it be the latter of those 2 options.

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John Baxter
6/7/2013 09:35:02 am

I agree that the evidence linked points to him, however it's not just a question of its either him or the government. Mistakes can be made in relation to a rush to get justice or over zealous investigators etc. miscarriages of justice are not unheard of.
However I do feel that the FBI has access to a lot more information than the public, and its likely he'll plead guilty but until then I'm doing my best to stay neutral.

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Joker
6/7/2013 05:31:02 pm

On this site the "pro-Jahar" voices aren't nearly as radical as on twitter. Over there they have kids who can barely remember 9/11 but are convinced it was staged by the government. Meanwhile I'm blinded by the media. One girl told me I can't see the truth but she can because she hasn't been as exposed to the chemtrails as I have.

Of course where is all this coming from? The Internet. So now we have this bombing and the evidence so far is pretty compelling but its sites like this that propagate this type of conspiracy thinking. There is plenty of real injustice in the world and this kids case is the one they choose to " get behind" ? Come on.

S.
6/7/2013 06:48:00 pm

@Joker - just wondering, what's your take on what happened with Todashev and his relation to the Tsarnaevs?

6/8/2013 06:25:20 am


I'm not a kid. I'm a well known independent 9/11 researcher since 2004.

As matters stand, your 2nd option is obviously case (not knowing if Dzhokhar is doofy, though). A classical false fag attack. Please take a look at my other post below.

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Joker
6/7/2013 05:52:39 pm

What you have pictured is the inner pot used in an electric pressure cooker, inner pot sits in the housing unit, which is a little bigger. With that said, I thought the ones that the brothers used where just stove top type?

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Saum,

It is the inside of a rice cooker although their pressure cooker is really not to much bigger. Really that style is like a big saucepan with a lid that seals. It's not a crockpot or slow cooker/rice maker that has an inner pot and an outer housing.

Anyway I feel some are overstating the size and weight of those bombs.

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6/8/2013 06:45:41 am


Here is a picture of the pressure cooker. The moderator stresses that exactly this model was used for the bombs.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-45cu7mKSGAU/UXUlRa7wTLI/AAAAAAAAAQs/I6RyKwsxQ8g/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-04-22+at+1.54.05+PM.png

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Joker
6/8/2013 12:56:34 am

S.06/07/2013 11:48pm
@Joker - just wondering, what's your take on what happened with Todashev and his relation to the Tsarnaevs?

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A tragic ending to what appears to be horribly executed police work.

I don't think the confession he apparently wrote is worth much. But I also don't believe that his death is part of a wider conspiracy as some have suggested.

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A
6/8/2013 01:51:55 am

A conspiracy would be an agreement between all parties towards an end, a mission. That doesn't seem to be the case here .. it seems like most if not all ground officers, the ones on the frontline are just following orders. They aren't acting with knowledge of the 'big picture’, which is arguably why they are falling short, dropping the ball. I'd imagine there is far more internal fighting within the institutions than we can admit right now. It is not all black and white, us vs. them, 'the govt. is out to get us', 'no it's not!' etc. It all starts with a few bad apples ...powerful apples, corrupt nonetheless.

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6/8/2013 06:15:49 am

Numerous witnesses as well as photographic evidence show that the second bomb did NOT explode at the point where DT placed his bag, but a few feet off - read this here please:

Second bomb exploded on Forum restaurant's patio

http://911woodybox.blogspot.de/2013/04/second-bomb-exploded-on-forum.html

Here are some more pictures:

http://911woodybox.blogspot.de/2013/04/where-was-epicenter-of-second-bomb.html

To understand the pictures, you just have to know that the epicenter of a bomb is always emptied, and that there were several injured people inside the Forum restaurant, blown inside by the blast (confirmed by 4 or 5 witnesses, some of them featured on my blog).

The pictures with together with the witnesses are solid evidence that the bomb exploded some feet off the place where Dzhokhar dropped his knapsack. I'm sure his lawyers know that (not saying from my blog).

So all he has to do is to say - "yes, I was there near the Forum, but not standing at the patio. I was standing at the roadside behind the barrier and dropped my bag" (which is exactly what the complaint says). There are theoretically 100 witnesses who can confirm that the epicenter was on the patio, not at the mailbox. Some of them I have featured on my blog, but I have some more in my pocket.

If Dzhokhar is cleared from carrying the second bomb, this will certainly have a big impact on his other alleged misdeeds.

I suggest not to shout out this information like a pitchman, because it's basically the attourney's job to assess the value of the evidence. Just take note of it and watch what happens on July 10.

Woody Box

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John Baxter
6/8/2013 06:41:44 am

Woody box, I completely disagree with the notion that the bomb went off in the patio of forum. http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/boston-marathon-bomb-explosion-photo-essay/

The chairs are still upright and the people who were injured the most are up near the barrier on the kerb. Maybe whoever wrote the forum message was just referring that they're premises was the closest and it was right in front.

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Woody Box
6/8/2013 06:48:53 am

John,

I doubt that you've taken a look at my blog. There are several witnesses for the patio, not just the forum website.

Anyway, I don't want to convince anyone here. I'm not going to engage in discussions. I just wanted to inform you.



Woody Box
6/8/2013 06:53:03 am


One clarification: The bomb didn't explode on the sit down area of the patio, but right in front of the entrance.

John Baxter
6/8/2013 07:28:46 am

Yes woody, I did read your blog in detail and went into your links. It still doesn't convince me that a bomb anywhere in the patio could have wrapped the barrier around the bin or injured the people in the front.

What I will say about your blog is that I do agree that the complaint assumes that it's Dzhokhar knapsack only because he can't see anything else that would have one it. I certainly would want it to be a proven fact that it was his not just that I can't see anything else.

A
6/8/2013 06:46:24 am

well done on your blog woody box. With reference to your June 03 post, are we saying the defense wants to avoid a Grand jury trial? I thought the defendant is guaranteed that right according to the fifth amendment and its a sort of screening before going to trial jury. I understand the defense team is not permitted to sit in on the trial but at the same time the defendant (Jahar) has the right to waive the grand jury trial/opt for trial jury instead. Am I right? Also how does an indictment by grand jury (if that were to happen) affect the actual trial in court? Thanks

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Woody Box
6/8/2013 06:51:38 am


Thanks - but I'm no law expert, this is just my interpretation of Stephen Jones. I can't really answer your questions, sorry.



Blake
6/8/2013 11:39:41 pm

We must bear in mind that the FBI are holding an enormous quantity of video and photographic data, that they confiscated to prevent it falling into the public domain hence limiting jury pool pollution and saving evidence for trial. This is completely correct behaviour.

It is highly likely that the videos and photos that we have not seen will better demonstrate the course of events than those that are in the public domain

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9/9/2013 10:27:00 am

We must bear in mind that the FBI are holding an enormous quantity of video and photographic data, that they confiscated to prevent it falling into the public domain hence limiting jury pool pollution and saving evidence for trial. This is completely correct behaviour.

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Yeah..they only 'leak' what they want to ;)

I'm not convinced that they have the right guy tbh. And that scares me as that means the real bomber(s) is still out there. And they don't seem to care. All that matters is that they APPEAR to have done their job. By pinning it on a couple of randoms.

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